Wednesday, November 19, 2008

Knott's Berry Farm - Before & After part 3

Hopefully you’re not sick of Knott’s Before and After, because we've got another big batch of photos today. Check back Friday if you’re in need of some Vintage Disneyland Tickets.

Courtesy of Gorilla’s Don’t Blog, this 1967 view of the Butterfield Stagecoach sure does look inviting.






Unfortunately the Stagecoach was not running the day of my visit, my guess is it runs on days when there are more guests at the farm. The Stagecoach is on my growing list of things to photograph on a follow-up visit.






The path the Stagecoach takes is not quite as scenic as it once was, it also appears to be entirely paved.






The Music Hall and the Bottle House, way back when.






Both as seen today, neither was open.






A close-up of the Music Hall in the 1950’s. Note the neat little center section on the right between the Music Hall and the Bottle House, its still there.






The Music Hall building today. I peaked inside and it looked like Indian stuff, some current and possibly for sale so maybe this store opens still on busy days. The exterior has been updated with bricks, but the doors, windows and lamps look the same.






Here’s the neat little center section between the two buildings, I love this stuff!






The Bottle House no longer has a door on Music Hall side, a few trim changes, but otherwise very original appearing.






The Bottle House actually has bottles on at least three sides; this side appears in many old photos.






Some odd metallic structures have sprouted in the background, a few trim changes otherwise on this side its 1955 all over again.






Crumbled Adobe Wall” from a 1950’s souvenir guide.






I have no idea if these are the same walls, but they are crumbled and they are walls.






Chief Red Feather” in an old (late 40’s / early 50’s) postcard. This postcard scan is from Jay Jennings amazing Knott’s Berry Farm Museum blog (link). Thanks Jay!






I don’t think he’s a Chief, but he was very knowledgeable and polite. He’s part of a dancing show they do 4 times daily on Thursday and Friday (see entertainment schedule at the end of this long post), probably more shows on weekends. Way to go Knott’s! We vintage Disneyland fans should take note: You can ride a Stagecoach and see a live Indian Dance show at the Farm, something you haven’t been able to do at the Park for decades.






Red’s Leather Shop in 1960.






It doesn’t appear to be “Reds” anymore and the roof line has been altered. The rest of the “Leather Shop” seems really old, and wow, it sure smells like an old leather wallet inside!






This little shop was to the left of the Leather shop, I didn’t go inside, it looked empty or like a jail? Does anyone know what this is or was?






The magnificent No. 41 Steam Train in December 1970, thanks Daveland! Is it just me or have they painted the No. 41 several different colors over the years?






Going to the farm too early on a weekday has it’s draw backs, like the Train, the Museum, all of Fiesta Village and most of the food places are closed for the first hour or two (bad show Knott’s). Anyway, here is the No. 41 getting ready to head out for the day. See - its different color!






This looks like a workshop for the train. It didn’t seem long enough to store the entire length of the trains and cars like Disneyland has the ability to do.






The great Log Ride all shiny and new in this October 1970 photo from Daveland.






The area where the above photo was taken was currently roped off, I think they were undoing part of the Halloween sets, so I was not able to get a good shot of the Log Ride today. Its still there running strong.






From 1967 it’s the Calico Mine Train Ride, a super photo from Gorilla’s Don’t Blog.






A larger queue line is the most significant change today. I can't tell if the color of the rock has changed of if its just these photos?






The little mine train ticket booth looks like this original one! I swear the pretty young lady in the “today” photo would not get out of the way!







One of the mine trains from an old postcard set, undated.






Same type of train today, different number.






From a 1975 Souvenir Guide, here’s the other style of mine train.






Same style of mine train today. I was surprised at the “Disneyland” grade of the paint, fit and finish of these little Trains, nice going Knott’s!






Here’s the current entertainment show guide, more than I expected for week days in Mid-November.





If you can stand it, there’s one more part of this series tomorrow; Fiesta Village, Roaring 20’s (don’t get your hopes up), The Lake? Independence Hall, Church of the Reflections and “What’s Missing”….

Tuesday, November 18, 2008

Knott's Berry Farm - Before & After part 2

A little late with part two, but better late than never.

Still comparing the before Ghost Town to the After Ghost Town, let's continue right next to the Blacksmith with “Old Betsy – Borax Mine Special” the little railroad car. Here an old black & white postcard. I would place it late 1940’s early 1950’s.






Here a neat color photo of Old Betsy from 1958, thanks Daveland.






Old Betsy as seen today, she has not changed much.






Here’s a close-up of kids playing on Old Betsy from December 1963, thanks again Dave!






Comparing this close-up with the December 1963 close-up above you really can see that very little has changed, even the painting on the building behind is the same!






Looking down the same street in the 1960 photo, you can see the mine “tower” (tall wooden tower thing on the right) and the “Bank” with the crumbled wall just beyond it.






The Mine Tower appears to be in the same spot and looks pretty original too.






The “Bank” now has the pan for gold attraction right up against it, this is not where it use to be and frankly, it’s pretty lame now.






The Miners’ bank as seen in 1960.






The bank today looks remarkably unchanged. Visit the "LetsTalkKnotts" blog (link) to see a great before and after post of this area.






The Birdcage Theatre as seen in 1960.






The Birdcage Theatre in 1967, thanks Gorilla’s don’t Blog for the vintage photo.






The Theatre looks great today, ready for show!






Red School house circa 1960.






The Red School house today, pretty close to original.






The Grist Mill in July 1961 (thanks again Dave).






The same structure today is the Glass Blower. I was unable to find the Glass Blowers old location.






Old Judge Roy Bean’s Saloon in the 1950’s






Undated photo (1960’s?) of Judge Roy Bean’s, thanks Dave!






Some additions to the front, but basically the same little Saloon it’s always been.






An old postcard showing a couple of very old wagons, I'm not sure where this location was.






Guess what? I found both of those wagons (at least it looks like them). This guy was just hiding in a corner near a bunch of twisted roller coaster tracks. Note: I did reverse/flip this image so it matches better to the vintage postcard.






This wagon was right near where the Church of the Reflection used to be. Fear not, I found the Church, you’ll see it in the final posts of this series.





Come back tomorrow for MORE Knott’s Before and After. Comparisons still to come; The Bottle House & Music Shop, Stage Coach launch, Mine Train, Log Ride, Fiesta Village, Roaring 20's and more.